I talked with Don, and he wanted me to post what we talked about on the boards, so that this could be understood/commented/agreed upon.
- Quote :
- Unbreakable Fighter Utility 6
You steel yourself against a brutal attack.
Encounter ✦ Martial
Immediate Reaction Personal
Trigger: You are hit by an attack
Effect: Reduce the damage from the attack by 5 + your Constitution modifier.
This has been used many times by Gardain, so we are familiar with how it plays out, but I'll go over the sequence just to be consistent.
1) attack is made against Gardain
2) attack is resolved as a hit
3) Gardain triggers Unbreakable
4) damage is determined, and resolved with a - (5+con) penalty.
*Note: The damage isn't applied prior to triggering the power, otherwise this would be counted as healing. (which Don agrees that it is not)
*Note: The power is triggered prior to taking damage (the effect of the hit), since the power doesn't "undo damage done", so if the attack were greater than Gardain's remaining health, he wouldn't fall unconscious before the power takes effect.
*Therefore, the conclusion that we drew is that the trigger is resolved, prior to the immediate reaction being allowed, but the power from the immediate reaction happens during the effect of the attack/event/condition.
The parallel with the Symbol of Hope should be identical.
1) the attack was made against Gardain and Skar
2) the attack is resolve as hit & hit
3) the immediate reaction is triggered (Symbol of Hope)
4) the effect of the attack applies to both hit, with a +5 bonus to saves against Skar or ally's future rolls.
*Side Note: Just because Skar is dominated, doesn't mean that he doesn't choose to save against the domination.
p.s. Don said that whatever the three of us (Jim,Mike,Eugene) agree upon as a ruling is what he'll go with, but if we can't agree, then he'll step in to help decide.